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Paranormal
18.04.2010, 19:28
вот щас подумалось мне, что было бы неплохо видеть перед глазами что-то вроде дерева происхождения кланов
Каин - Зиллах, Енох, Ирад
Зиллах - Малкав, Абсимилиард, ... и тд и тп.
Только я не всё знаю, на википедии тже не нашёл. Нельзя ли продлжить цепочку вплоть до образования кланов и ллиний крови, которые сейас существуют? Желательно ещё в порядке их основания

Пишем правильно...

Husky73
19.04.2010, 20:12
Мне всегда казалось, что отсутствие лени, упорство и умение находить информацию считались в клане Носферату добродетелями.
В принципе, это первая же ссылка, которую выдает вам это удивительное изобретение смертных... ммм... Пугл? Гагл? эээ... Гугол?

http://vampirerpg.free.fr/Genealogy/

Paranormal
19.04.2010, 20:19
нет, ты не понял. Мне нужно не какой клан от какого произошёл, а какой патриарх от какого вампира второго покления. Я пробовал это найти, но всё упирается в патриархов. А дальше просто упоминается что патриархи были созданы теми вампирами - Зиллах, Ирад и Енох. А кто из них какого патриарха конкретно создал я нашёл только двоих - Малкав и Абсимиллиард

Netaruell
20.04.2010, 18:30
Какай-то странный носси из Paranormal получается, не найти такое..... Ну да ладно, мяу.
Вещь такая есть... Total Vampire Geneology... Я даже могу скинуть... или скопировать информацию сюда, но она(информация) на английском, естественно... Или сам найди... там есть это, ага.
Мурр?

Paranormal
20.04.2010, 19:42
там неопнятно. Вот к примеру указано, что дескать Лилит обратила патриархов Тзимици, Равнос и Гангрел. Но так получается, что они не патрархи, а вампиры второго поколения. Или говорится, что Хаким сам себя обратил, хотя парой строк ниже написано, что Хаким был обращён Зиллах. Кароче в каждом кланбуке и в каждой книге по разному. Есть ли точный список (единственный верный) - каких именно патриархов обратили вампиры второго покления?

Netaruell
20.04.2010, 19:58
Оооо... Где ты видел, что Лилит ОТБРАТИЛА?? По легенде, Лилит мать Еннои(наш любимый и единственный Патриарх, ага.. по той легенде мать и оборотней тоже, кстати) Ладно, на наш клан кину то, что в Генералогии написанно...

Gangrel
Ennoia/Enwa/Enuia/Envi/Enuae/Wah'Sheen...
Current Generation: 3rd
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: In-active/unknown (torpor)
Progeny of: Ravnos
Sex: Female
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder
Location: Unconfirmed but is thought to sleep in either the dark heart of Africa's Congo or in the Australian Outback.
History: Ennoia suffers from Childe Stigma. Often the Ancients are confused with their childer. Very often by intention of said ancient. One of her own Childer is known as Gangrel a Male whom is often attributed to being the clan elder. Though other tales tell of Ennoia's mastery of Protean allows her to change sex as well as form. Furthermore if one delves into the legends of the Garou they will find that not only is Ennoia related to them but is in all likelihood a Garou herself. Yes, a Antediluvian Abomination and further still the mortal daughter of Lillith. Is it no wonder her affinity for changing shape is so evident.
Reference: Clanbook Gangrel, Clanbook Ravnos, World Of Darkness: Gypsies, Werewolf the Apocalypse: Players Guide 1st Edition, Book Of Nod.

Удачной ночи...

Paranormal
20.04.2010, 20:40
http://vampirerpg.free.fr/Genealogy/antediluvians.html

Who sired each of them ?
Based on their clan disciplines, we could have

Enoch
sired Arikel (and Ishtar), Malkav and Saulot. All of Enoch's childer have Auspex. They are of the SEER lineage.
Zillah
sired Absimilliard and probably Haqim and Set. All of Zillah's childer have Obfuscate. They are of the HUNTER lineage.
Irad
probably sired Brujah, Cappadocius, Lasombra and Ventrue. They are of the PHILOSOPHER-KING lineage.
Lillith
sired Ennoia, Ravnos, and probably Tzimisce. All of Lillith's childer have Animalism. They are of the SHIFTER lineage.

but the clan legends disagree with this:

1. Haqim
Haqim embraced himself with the blood of the King and Queen of Nod.
2. Brujah
Childe of Ynosh [CbR-Tz]
3. Ashur
4. Ennoia
Childe of Irad [CbR-R]
5. Lasombra
6. Malkav
Childe of Enoch, second oldest Ante, twin to Arikel [Cb-M]
Saulot and Set are his brothers [CbR-M]
7. Absimilliard
Progeny of Caine's daughter (Irad or Zillah).
8. Ravnos
Childe of Irad [CbR-R]
9. Saulot
First childe of Enoch, the oldest 2nd gen, but Arikel was the first Ante.
Malkav and Set are his brothers [CbR-M]
10. Set
Malkav and Saulot are his brothers [CbR-M]
11. Arikel
Oldest Ante, twin to Malkav [Cb-M]
12. Tzimisce
Childe of Ynosh [CbR-Tz]
13. Ventrue
Childe of Enoch and oldest Ante [Cb-V]

The Baali bloodline is said to have been founded by three Antediluvians, but it should be by three Methuselahs.


А тепреь посмотри и скажи - что из этой кучи несостыковок и нагромаждения является правдой? О_о

Netaruell
21.04.2010, 07:02
Разные есть мнения, не то, чтоб это было удивительно, учитывая, что это легенды всё... У нашего клана есть легенда вообще с Енноей не связанная ) Так что вам и выбирать, чему верить, тысячелетия прошли, точно мы всё равно не узнаем...

THE SECOND GENERATION

Enoch
Enesh/Enosh/Lamech/Enkil/Uniech/En'esh/Uniek/Unyk/En'osh/Eneu/
Enwa etc.
The literal Translation of Enoch is Wisdom or The Wise. -Hebrew
Current Generation: 2nd (Unknown)
Embraced Generation: 2nd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Unknown (presumed both alive and dead)
Progeny of: Caine
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A
Title: The Wise, First King etc.
Location: Unknown, thought to be destroyed in the fall of the Second City.
History: Sired by Caine in the First City of Enoch. The City he later ruled over. After the Deluge he is said to have ruled over the Second City as well, until the fall of it to his own Childer. Many say he to fell in its ruins but I have yet to find any evidence of that. It is my belief he still walks among us. For further information on Enoch it may fascinate you to know that until the 17th century The First and Second Book of Enoch were considered integral to the Biblical canon. To this day, The Second Book Of Enoch is part of the Torah. He is said to have rectified the sins of his father with God and in him found salvation. If this means he found Golconda or Faith then yes he truly should be feared beyond the normal.
The First and Second Book of Enoch chronicle the life of Enoch after the fall of the city Enoch. These are real life books, I kid you not. As yet, I have been unable to find them so I know not what they say. But I look forward to finding them some day. Enoch is said to have sired the progenitors of Toreador, Malkavian and the Ventrue Clans. As The Wise it is also likely that he may have sired the likes of Cappadocious, Brujah or Saulot. (Addendum; I recently got myself a copy of 1st Enoch... 2nd is on its way I'll up date as I see fit.)
Reference: The Book of Nod, Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand, The Bible, The Torah, The Koran, The 1st & 2nd Book of Enoch, etc. Too many to list.

Irad
Jrad/Ira/Yrad/Erad/Arad/Rad/Hrad etc.
The literal translation of Irad is Strength or The Strong. -Hebrew
Current Generation: 2nd
Embraced Generation: 2nd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Unknown believed to be destroyed.
Progeny of: Caine
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A
Title: The Strong, First General, etc.
Location: Unknown, thought to be deceased. May be one of the Aralu of Shadow Enoch.
History: General of Caine's Armies/Protector of the First City and last to fall in the War for the Second City. Bibilical son of Enoch. Said to have been an amazing combatant. He is also said to have been destroyed in the Second City. As to who is accredited for the deed, no one knows. However, he is as yet unaccredited for the siring of any Childer... though some have been possibly linked to him such as Mekhet. If he is dead it is thought he is the silent watcher in the Shadow Enoch found in Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand. Though he may not have been killed at all. A wanderer and loner in his own right, is it no surprise that Caine Sired him?
Reference: The Book of Nod, Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand, The Bible, The Torah, The Koran, etc. Too many to list.

Zilliah
Zillia/Zia/Zillah/Zillar/Zea/Zeah/Sylah/Nergal etc.
The literal translation of Zillah is Shadow. -Hebrew
Though she is known as Zillah the Beautiful.
Current Generation: 2nd
Embraced Generation: 2nd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Deceased, diablerized by Nosferat during the fall of the Second City.
Progeny of: Caine
Sex: Female
Sect: N/A
Title: The Beautiful, Queen of Enoch, First Bride etc.
Location: Unknown, though it has been theorized that she may be one of the Aralu of Enoch.
History: Sired and wed to Caine. She was queen of Enoch at Caine's side through all things. Slain during the Fall of The Second City she was betrayed and diablerized by her child Nosferat. Her other childer Set was away only to return to Second City finding her destroyed. Through her nature it is also likely Lasombra was her Childe. Many accredit her with lacking depth of soul. As much as she was beautiful she was absent in feeling and emotion and but the cold beast the kindred seek to avoid. Though others hold great objection to this interpretation.
She in all likelihood now resides in the Shadow Enoch spoken of in Dirty Secrets of The Black Hand as the Sumerian Queen of the Underworld Nergal. As In Mytho-historical lore The Land of Sumeria were built of 15 city states... convenient... as you will see in a bit. As the land of Enoch and the second city never held residence to certain clans. Ravnos never held a seat in the Ancient cities nor did; Assamites, Children of Osiris or possibly Gangrel. So do not believe everything you read. And yes there were more than thirteen clans but they are gone now so it matters not. She is often confused with Esherkigal.
Reference: The Book of Nod, Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand, The Bible, The Torah, The Koran, etc. Too many to list.

Ravnos
Rabno/Rebvneau/Leatshi/Sargatanas/Daenna etc.
Keep in mind the Ravnos are renowned liars.
Current Generation: 2nd — though this is irrelevant as Ravnos was destroyed.
Embraced Generation: 2nd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Deceased, Unknown.
Progeny of: Kaen
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder, Gypsy etc.
Location: N/A
History: According to Ravnos history Ravnos was the Father of the Gypsy clans then all known as the Powara... as they were not separated long ago but one mass group. Late one evening a visitor came a Shilmulo (A vampire). He said his name was Kaen. And as is the nature of Caine's curse, ill fate befell the assemblage and Tshurka (Ravnos' mortal father) was struck down by other Shilmulo (residents of the Great City). Ravnos discovered his father and wanted Kaen to save him. Caine could not forget the forgiving nature and hospitality granted by Tshurka and his Kumpania, but he could not save Tshurka. For he was already dead.
Ravnos wanted revenge, power, the ability to avenge his father and keep the Powara alive. Caine rectified or damned Ravnos by Embracing him, and the clan was born. It is said that Caine preferred the Ravnos above all his get as they were most like him, doomed to wander and always the pariah. As time goes on Ravnos sires other childer amongst his Kumpania. And an outsider whom with he would fall in love. The woman was known as Ennoia (now known as Gangrel). But the love was false.
Ennoia greedy for power and forgiveness betrayed him to the residents of the city (thought to be the Second City) which the Gypsy caravan camped around. Ravnos himself ended up staked and left for the sun. Where he burned and to this day the Ravnos hate the Gangrel. After Ennoia's betrayal Kaen again resurfaced, saying it was his responsibility to deem out punishment to Ennoia not that of the Ravnos people as Ravnos was now his childe his favored Son... so he cursed Ennoia to wear her bestial soul for all eternity and she shall. The Gangrel curse was born... (admittedly this is a shortened version of the story and more details are available see the various books)
Reference: Clanbook Ravnos, Clanbook Gangrel, World Of Darkness: Gypsies, Werewolf the Apocalypse; Players Guide 1st Edition.

The Crone
Hag... very little is known about she who was the Crone though often she is confused with the Cannibal Hag; Baba Yaga... she is not Baba Yaga... she is much, much worse...
Current Generation: 2nd
Embraced Generation: 2nd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Unknown, thought to be deceased
Progeny of: Caine
Sex: Female
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder, N/A
Location: N/A, Unknown
History: What is known is that in life she was one of the Awakened. A Mage close to what was to become the Verbena Tradition. Caine sought her out for a potion to make Zilliah love him. But was tricked by the Crone and Blood Bound to her. As a thrall he was ordered to give her eternal life and become her lover... this all lasted for a year and a day... after which Caine rose up and staked the Crone leaving her for the sun. However none have seen evidence of her demise and if she did live she has or had no active visible role in our Jyhad. Though the Liahanan bloodline destroyed during the Dark Ages claimed lineage from the Crone. She may still live to this day and if so her power of Thaumaturgy would be mighty.
Reference: The Book of Nod, Dark Ages Companion.

Unknown Union
The King and Queen... Both of their names were lost to time.
Current Generation: 2nd — irrelevant as they are deceased
Embraced Generation: 2nd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Unknown, thought to be deceased.
Progeny of: Khayyin
Sex: Male and Female
Sect: N/A
Title: King and Queen
Location: Unknown, N/A
History: Haqim served them a loyal general all his life but saw them become tainted by the evil of Khayyin. They became like him cruel and only emerged at night. Haqim loved his Queen and King but they must be set free from their damnation. This was the duty he needed to fulfill... This is all but part of the Assamite story. The King and Queen of this ancient city are unknown to this day but supposedly predate the other childer of Caine and the First City. They were destroyed by their General and fed him in his vengeance against the Kindred.


Reference: Clanbook Assamite.


THE THIRD GENERATION, ANTEDILUVIANS
...The literal translation of Antediluvian is one who has survived the deluge... therefore technically in Kindred terms any vampire who remembers Enoch and/or survived the deluge regardless of generation is an Antediluvian... But I digress. This listing only includes those who were originally Antediluvians the others will appear as the Head of their respective clans such as; Troile, Augustus Giovanni and Tremere etc.
Note of intrest; Mekhet (Central Chad translation) is actually a type of Arabic Berry aka. (Sudan Arabic:) Mukhait, Mukheit, Aisen, Korsan, Hanza (Nigeria-Hausa), Tabila (Kanuri).

Assam
Haqim/Hassan/Hassam/Hashashin/Hashan al-Safa/Hashan ibn Canan/Hassan-i-Sabah/H'qm/H'qim etc.
In later day terminology the word Assassin is derived from the Thuggee sect which is named after the individual above.
Current Generation: 2nd* — pseudo unintentional diablerie of the remnant of his sires vitae following defeat at the hands of Khayyin
Embraced Generation: 3rd — self sired following the slaying of the King and Queen. He bled them into a large bowl and then slit his own wrists then followed by imbibing the King and Queens blood.
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: In-active/unknown
Progeny of: The King and Queen
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder, Bastard of Caine
Location: Unconfirmed but is thought to be protected and asleep in the mountain fortress of Alamut in Turkey.
History: His goal is to destroy all Kindred as they are an abomination to the laws of nature. He simply used their own weapon against them, their immortality. Beyond his creation story little is known of this enigmatic individual. See 2nd Generation Unknown Union.
Reference: Clanbook Assamite, The Book of Nod...

Brujah
Ninmug/B'ruh-jehu/B'ru-Jya/Kronos/Chronos/Father Time/Mushak(is)/Troile...
In Spanish the mispronounced literal translation of Brujah is Witch...
Current Generation: 3rd — though deceased as he was diablerized.
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Deceased, Wraith. Diablerized by his childe Troile.
Progeny of: Either Enoch or Irad
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A as he is deceased though he may hold links to the Tal'mahe'Ra (True Hand), One of the Aralu.
Title: Clan Founder
Location: As Brujah is deceased he it is thought that he resides in the Shadow Enoch as Ninmug...
History: Strange revelations in regard to Brujah have come to light. It is said when he fell in the Second City to his Childe Troile that he had already attained Transcendence in his time-space medium. Some think he is now one in the same with the temporal spirit known as Wrinkle.
Reference: Dirty Secrets of The Black Hand, Book Of Nod, Clanbook Brujah, more should surface about Brujah in The Book of Truth.

Cappadocious
Of Cappadocia/Kapwe/Kapeu/Capw/Asshur/Ashur...
The literal Translation of Cappadocious is Of Cappadocia.
Current Generation: 3rd — Though as he is deceased it doesn't really matter.
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Deceased, Wraith. Diablerized by his childe Augustus Giovanni. Possibly one of the Aralu.
Progeny of: Either Irad or Enoch
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A or Tal'mahe'Ra
Title: Clan Founder
Location: The Shadow Lands, Perhaps in Enoch or perhaps one with Oblivion.
History: His goal was to transcend his state by dying and thus moving to consume (diablerize) God thus becoming god. He was betrayed and destroyed along with his clan by Augustus Giovanni and his family in August of 1444 AD. More often than not Asshur is confused with Ashur. Perhaps it is that Saulot and Cappadocious' origins are too close for comfort. It is not uncommon for the edeavors of one to be confused with the other.
Reference: Clanbook Cappadocian, Clanbook Giovanni, Giovanni Chronicles 1-3, Vampire the Dark Ages, The Book of Storytellers Secrets, Dark Ages Companion...

Gangrel
Ennoia/Enwa/Enuia/Envi/Enuae/Wah'Sheen...
Current Generation: 3rd
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: In-active/unknown (torpor)
Progeny of: Ravnos
Sex: Female
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder
Location: Unconfirmed but is thought to sleep in either the dark heart of Africa's Congo or in the Australian Outback.
History: Ennoia suffers from Childe Stigma. Often the Ancients are confused with their childer. Very often by intention of said ancient. One of her own Childer is known as Gangrel a Male whom is often attributed to being the clan elder. Though other tales tell of Ennoia's mastery of Protean allows her to change sex as well as form. Furthermore if one delves into the legends of the Garou they will find that not only is Ennoia related to them but is in all likelihood a Garou herself. Yes, a Antediluvian Abomination and further still the mortal daughter of Lillith. Is it no wonder her affinity for changing shape is so evident.
Reference: Clanbook Gangrel, Clanbook Ravnos, World Of Darkness: Gypsies, Werewolf the Apocalypse: Players Guide 1st Edition, Book Of Nod.

Lasombra
Loz/Umbrae/Lazuhmbreu/L'unbu/Shade/Shadow...
Lasombra translated literally means The Shadow(s) in Spanish.
Current Generation: 3rd — Though he is now deceased so it really is irrelevant.
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Deceased, Wraith. Diablerized by anarchs including the Stone Man in 1405 AD.
Progeny of: Zillah
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A, possibly the Tal'mahe'Ra (True Hand), One of the Aralu.
Title: Clan Founder
Location: It is thought his Spiritual form was either consumed by Oblivion or he is the Dark Warrior known as Loz in the Shadow Enoch.
History: A perfectionist he often destroyed his childer for failure not until he embraced he who is now Montano did he truly establish himself and his clan as a power in the Jyhad. He was later betrayed or mechanized his demise so that his childe Gratiano de Veronese would allow him to be slain. Though it was an unknown anarch who diablerized him not his childe Gratiano.
Reference: Clanbook Lasombra, Libellus Sanguinus 1: Masters of the State, Who's Who Among the Kindred: Children of the Inquisition,

Leatshi
Ezmerelda*/Ravnos etc.
(See the 2nd generation) This however is misnomer as she also suffers from Childer Stigma as she is often labeled as one in the same with her brother.
Current Generation: unknown though she is often thought to be a childe of Ravnos making her 3rd. She is not however.
Embraced Generation: N/A
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Unknown
Progeny of: Like her brother Ravnos she is a daughter of Tshurka
Sex: Female
Sect: N/A, Independent
Title: Clan Founder
Location: Unknown as the Ravnos are a wandering breed it is assumed she wanders the earth with her Kumpania as do all the rest.
History: Her goal remains thoroughly unknown as she was the more level headed of her kind it remains to be seen. The Ravnos would not be referred to as the Army of Caine for no reason in the ancient texts... only time will tell. Though it is assumed she like most elders holds a deep animosity for those who have wronged her thus Ennoia and the Gangrel are probably definitive targets for her wrath. She is known to possess "The Sight". As the younger sister of Ravnos she is now responsible for the Clan even though she is was never known as being of the blood. Yet their are innumerable ways she could prolong her life or be reincarnated. If she still lives she is probably one of the most powerful mortals to ever exist.
Reference: Clanbook Ravnos, Clanbook Gangrel, World Of Darkness: Gypsies, The Book Of Nod

Malkav
Maj/Majnoon/Lucian etc.
Though this is unconfirmed.
Current Generation: 3rd
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Active, Torpor
Progeny of: Enoch
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A... as he is insane he is well beyond the grips of a foolish sect.
Title: Clan Founder
Location: If is universally thought his tormented resting place is deep in the heart of Jerusalem or Petra, Israel.
History: What few realize is that long, long, long ago the Malkavian's were much like the Ventrue and Toreador in their machinations they were not always insane nor has Malkav himself always been such. And fewer still realize that Malkav was not the tame Antediluvian to the contrary he was known as the greatest warrior among them. Yet he was over zealous in his activities and was punished by Caine. As Malkav would perform act's of war in the guise of Caine The All Father, himself. Thus blaspheming his image and Caine rectified that. Malkav is further still the twin brother to Toreador and said to be brother to Saulot though that may be the metaphorical brotherhood of being kindred. As for his Sanity it is said his sanity left him first with Caine's punishment, then further as he found himself trapped under Jerusalem. What is known is this among the ancient Malkavian's the Disciplines they had were Dominate, Auspex and Obfuscate... much like the modern Malkavian though with the fall of Rome so went the Malkavian sanity which coincidentally coincided with the rise of Christianity and the Faith in Jerusalem. It is though the power of Dementation is a symptom of Malkav's influence on his childer as well as the insanity itself. Many view the modern Malkavian as yet another sign of Gehenna's coming and Malkav tentative awakening. Some theorize that Malkav and Toreador were of Fae lineage. Even scarier theories in regard to Malkav exist but I choose to not voice them here for fear they may be true...
Reference: Clanbook Malkavian, Sabbat Player's Guide, Book of Nod etc.

Nosferat
Noz/Nos/Typhon/Absimiliard/El Mutasharid/Hajj/Ninmug/Lucian...
But is also unconfirmed.
Current Generation: 2nd* — after having diablerized his sire Zillah
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Unknown
Progeny of: Zillah
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder
Location: No one seems to know but the Nosferatu think he lies dormant deep, deep within the bowels of the earth.
History: His goal is to destroy all of his treacherous childer as they are the cause of his repugnance. And their destruction will be his cure. He was known as the greatest hunter who ever lived and the most beautiful of all Cainites but his soul corrupted his visage. Unfortunately his story is often confused with fragments of Shaitan's or Ennoia's Tale as they are all similar in form... Others seem to claim he only views himself as ugly and is not genuinely ugly at all. It is a purely psychological affliction that takes on physical form in his childer. This curse he carries is a direct result of Caine's punishment upon him for slaying Zillah and for his vanity. It is also said that he was deeply in love with Toreador and they shared a mutual blood bond for one another. Though this was supposedly broken many years ago. Nosferat also suffers from Childer Stigma but in that some of his own childer are of the 3rd generation (specifically some of the Nictuku) they are attributed to being him.
Reference: Clanbook Nosferatu, Clanbook Toreador, Rage Across Russia, World of Darkness 1st Edition, Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand, The Book Of Nod...

Osiris
Asar/Wen-Nefer (...the Beautiful One)/Assar/Osae/Osi/Ashur etc.
Current Generation: 3rd — As Osiris no longer lives his generation is a moot point however, Osiris' generation has always been a matter of debate.
Embraced Generation: 3rd*
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Deceased, Wraith ruler of the Egyptian Shadowlands (The Dark Kingdom of Sand) though he is nothing more than a statue as he has not moved in all his years sitting on the throne.
Progeny of: Typhon
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A, Independent
Title: Clan Founder, King/ Pharaoh of the Underworld/After life
Location: His Spirit rules the Egyptian underworld as King/Pharaoh
History: The history of Set and Osiris are dependent upon one another. As Set was banished from Egypt he met his fate among the Kindred as did Osiris and the two brothers warred for millennia'. And in the end Osiris was destroyed by his brother Set. Only to be resurrected by his wife only to yet again be destroyed by Set's hand. Though on this second occasion destroyed the Children of Osiris as well. The Disciplines of this lost clan spur a lot of debate as the only known references to them are eye witness accounts which are rare to say the least or come from a small piece of text about Osiris "... He had the strength of a hundred men (Potence)... and the paternal speed of the Sands (Celerity)...when he spoke his word could not be denied (?)...". As you can see the last example of his power could either be those of Presence or of Dominate. Presence seems doubtful as this would make him a Brujah and I have never seen a reference to Troile as Typhon nor does his age correlate with the idea that Troile was his sire. However if this power were Dominate he would have a whole line unto himself... The theory is Typhon is but the name for Nosferat. Following the massacre in the Second City Nosferat would need a diversion for his brother Set's wrath. What better diversion is there than giving Set's real brother power equal to Set's own? Regardless the war between Set and Osiris became something of myth, religion and legend. Note; the modern day Children of Osiris are only partially descended form the Osiris of old as the founder of the Bloodline is the last unliving member of the Osiris Clan but is on a far different path.
Reference: Clanbook Setite, The Hunters Hunted, World of Darkness: Mummy 1st & 2nd Edition, Tribebook Silent Strider, Who's Who Among the Garou, World of Darkness 1st & 2nd edition, Umbra the Velvet Shadow and Haunts

Saulot
Ashur/Shaitan/Thoth/Thought/Zao'lot etc.
And with that perhaps now you may know the truth...
Current Generation: 3rd — though it is irrelevant as he is now deceased.
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Deceased, Diablerized by Tremere in 1096
Progeny of: Either Enoch or Irad but is often referred to as a childe of Caine
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A, though rumors persist among the Tal'mahe'Ra and Inconnu
Title: Clan Founder, ...the Penitent, ...the Saint
Location: Originally from the Asian Indian region he later moved himself and his progeny into the Carpathian's. Only to have himself and his clan diablerized by the Tremere. Now his location is assumed to be heaven or the like as he is dead. Though rumors persist that he is the silent watcher of the Aralu in the Shadow Enoch.
History: Saulot was the first Cainite to attain the blessed state of Golconda. Though in modern times the Salubri are thought to be evil they were not. They were warrior healers of profound depth and conviction. The most and least human of all the kindred as they lacked much of the frailty of humanity but flowed with its compassion. Rumors persist among the Inconnu, Tremere and remaining Salubri that Saulot was not diablerized but was amalgamated into Tremere so as to be something more than the two parts. What shall arise when Tremere yet rises from torpor next remains to be seen.
Reference: Clanbook Tremere, Vampire The Masquerade; Player's Guide, Dark Ages Companion, The Book Of Nod, Transylvania Chronicles 1: Dark Tides Rising

Set
Sutekh/Seth/Satan/Walid Set (though this denotes the following of Set not Set as a surname)/Shaitan/Typhon etc.
The ancient Hebrew mistranslation/interpretation of Set created the theological term Satan.
Current Generation: 3rd
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: In-active/Unknown/Torpor, Set dropped from the Jyhad in 33 AD
Progeny of: Zillah
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A, Independent
Title: Clan Founder
Location: It is thought that Set still rests in the heart of his native Egypt near the borders of Alexandria. Though the Inconnu claim to have deposed and destroyed Set.
History: His goal is to corrupt all Kindred and have revenge against his brothers and sisters for the destruction of his sire Zillah. Many among the Nosferatu consider the Followers Of Set and Set himself Nictuku. If they only new the truth. Set's origins often become convoluted with that of his brother Osiris. It was Osiris who held the Nictuku lineage... though it died with him. Have no doubt Set is evil. He is malevolent in ways few can imagine. Worshipped as a god he has hubris to spare and power to match, the Wyrm chooses it's minions well. Set is known to wear the guise of the Typhonian Beast. It is also Rumored that Set as all of his mortal line was and may have been either a Shape Changer Kinfolk or perhaps even a Shape Changer, maybe a Naga.
Reference: Clanbook Setite, Clanbook Nosferatu, Mummy 1st & 2nd Edition, The Hunters Hunted, Silent Strider Tribe Book, Who's Who Among Garou, World Of Darkness 1st & 2nd Edition

The Old Man in the Mountain...
Current Generation: 3rd* — A guesstimation based of the idea that Haqim is of the 2nd generation.
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Active
Progeny of: Haqim
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A, Independent
Title: The Old Man In The Mountain, Clan Founder
Location: It is known that The Old Man also is in residence at the Fortress Alamut in Turkey.
History: His goal is simple enforce the tenants and precepts of Haqim and guide his clan in the same manner. His will is law when it comes to clan matters and he must always be wary for the safety of his clan.
Reference: Clanbook Assamite, Dirty Secrets Of the Black Hand, Storytellers Guide to the Sabbat, Players Guide to the Sabbat, Vampire The Masquerade: Players Guide, The Book Of Nod, Treaty of Tyre, Storytellers Handbook to the Sabbat

Toreador
Arikel/Mamluke/Hera/Nergal/Ashur etc.
Arikel literally translates into Lion Of God. -Hebrew
Current Generation: 3rd — though some seem to think Toreador is responsible for the Death of either Enoch or Irad and may now be of the 2nd generation.
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Unknown, presumed Active/Torpor
Progeny of: Enoch
Sex: Female (though this is also debated as much like Saulot she was very androgens)
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder
Location: It is widely felt that she resides in Europe as one of it's primary dominators. Though some Toreador still believe she resides in Greece or even in Spain... some in the minority claim that Toreador would be drawn to energy of the New World specifically the United States of America but the elders in the clan scoff at such a possibility.
History: Toreador is the twin sister of Malkav and is an artist of the highest sort though many think she is the grandest of poseurs and that her clan is the culmination of her art. Regardless she is the type enamored with beauty and as such fell in love with the likes of Nosferat before his curse and long after as she was also in love with his potential. Her Androgyny is her trademark it is said that it is now more prevalent than ever. And she is the epitome of each sexes beauty. One of the more blatant architects of the Jyhad the Toreador and Ventrue seem to remain the two most powerful players and adversaries to one another. A battle which started long ago during the Greco Roman wars...
Reference: Clanbook Toreador, Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand, The Book Of Nod and innumerable others

Tzimisce
Mekhet/Al-Marhi/The Eldest/Zchamzuatu/Lugoj...
I have yet to decipher the etymology of Tzimisce but there was a Transylvanian Emperor by that name, given time I will find the information. (Though help would be appreciated)
Current Generation: 3rd
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Active/Torpor, though thought to be dead destroyed and replaced by the anarch Tzimisce Lugoj Blood-Breaker
Progeny of: Irad though tales often arise that he is a child of Enoch.
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder
Location: His former domain was that of the Carpathian Mountains of Transylvania, though originally from India as well or so it is said. He now resides under the protective care of the Zanatosa Revenant Family in New York City... deep in the catacombs of New York City's underground.
History: Tzimisce is insane. This may sound like a not that strange a statement when speaking of the Clan Founders. But he is more insane than most. As Tzimisce was not only one of the Awakened in life he was a Marauder no less. And remains a Mage still. Stories speak of Tzimisce's insanity not letting him see beauty as we see it but seeing it only in the ugliness of man. Where as Elizabeth Hurley may be pretty to us and a Nosferatu repugnant his point of view is a juxtaposition of that. Further still he knows of the Soul Eater and wills to purge it but also wills to keep it as his insanity embraces it. The problem is the longer he is infested with it the more power he seems to lose. And in time he may no longer be one of the Awakened. The old tales speak of Irad having gone on a quest only to fight the one known as Tzimisce... never had Irad had to fight so hard but against this Mad Sorcerer he was nearly felled as such he optioned to embrace this mad one so his power may be preserved... miraculously it was.
Reference: Clanbook Tzimisce, Libellus Sanguinis 1: Masters of the State, Mage: The Book of Mirrors, The Book of Shadows, The Book of Nod, Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand etc.

Ventru
Veddartha/Viddartha/Ventrue/Jupiter/Zeus/(El) Hajazi/Gilgamesh etc.
The King among Kings
Current Generation: 3rd
Embraced Generation: 3rd
Date of Birth: Unknown
Date of Embrace: Unknown
Current Status: Unknown, presumed to be Active/Torpor though the Brujah claim to have destroyed him.
Progeny of: Enoch
Sex: Male
Sect: N/A
Title: Clan Founder
Location: It is said that an Ancient sleeps deep in the ocean in the Mediterranean that ancient is presumed to be Ventru. The other major player in the Jyhad of Europe is it no surprise that he would be in the thick of it.
History: No one knows what the goals of Ventru are but many have speculated that he is the primary architect behind the Jyhad and the Daeva itself. Tales of the Second City speak of Ventru having absolute focus after the Deluge that it was he who lead the Second City in reality not the elder hand of Enoch. It is the universal opinion that of all the Antediluvian's Ventru had the greatest tactical mind. He has a plan it is just no one knows what it is. (Though if you're interested in my opinion as White Wolf Playtester and Storyteller I will give it to you if you ask.)
Reference: Clanbook Ventrue, Libellus Sanguinis 1: Masters of the State, World Of Darkness 1st & 2nd Edition, The Book Of Nod etc.

Paranormal
21.04.2010, 11:28
в общем, похоже обощающие выводы и построение списка следует делать самому :D
потому что в каждом источнике по разному написано

Netaruell
21.04.2010, 13:50
И как же ты его делать в таком случаи намерен? Очень интересно...

Paranormal
21.04.2010, 13:58
дело в том, что по легенде Енох давал мудрость, Ирад - силу, а Зиллах - красоту. Это во-первых. Во-вторых, многие патриархи считаются в разных источниках детьми или одного или второго вампира второго поколения. В-третьих, указан приблизительный возраст некоторых патриархов, анпример патриархов носферату, рвнос, каппадокийцев и ещё кого-то, уже не помню, плюс говорится про неокторых какими по счёту они были созданы - например малкав был вторым патриархом, первым я склоняюсь к мысли что иштар, третьим саулот, а ещё в некоторых источниках говорится размыто какой патриарх старше какого. В-четвёртых, как я понял из книги нода, первым был енох, вторым была зиллах, а потом ирад. Если всё это слжить, то можно приблизительно разбросать кто от кого и в каком порядке пошёл. В принципе я уже разбросал, может это не самое точное, но точного вообще нет как я понял. Но по крайней мере я теперь спокоен и удовлетворён результатом :D

Netaruell
21.04.2010, 14:30
Дак, может, поделитесь вашим результатом с нами?

Paranormal
21.04.2010, 14:32
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пожалуйста